Comments on: Hunting Anub’Arak, Heroic style!

By: lemli

lemli — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:24:37 +0000

Deterrence isn’t really worth it in phase 3 atleast, you need to keep attacking to get healed by JoL. I have never tested if you can block penetrating cold with deterrence, i guess you could pop deterrence just before a new set of PC is casted in a hope of avoiding one, it won’t do anything if you already got PC on you though.

By: hunter22

hunter22 — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:52:35 +0000

Does deterrence work on Penetrating Cold or Leeching swarm?

By: Kuhvacako

Kuhvacako — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:37:33 +0000

I didn’t really explain myself well there. Anyways now agree you shouldn’t use it after it got resisted.

By: Thionis

Thionis — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:44:56 +0000

Our 25 man found out the hard way last night that the patches are pretty easy to distinguish if your a hunter, otherwise no. I imagine with proper coordination and communication it would work quite well

By: lemli

lemli — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:11:37 +0000

Well, it is a tactic for the 25man version, I could make one for 10man but it wouldn’t really be one that works for most people since we overgear the encounter quite heavily. And there’s the same principles in 10man version with the 25man, you’d just have to tweak some things for this same tactic to work.

About the frost trap being confused as a patch of ice, with the 25man tactic there really is no way for anyone to confuse them because the frost patches are always at the same point, not to mention that they are quite easy to tell apart from each other just by looking.

By: Thionis

Thionis — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:38:27 +0000

BTW I apologize for not editing my giant block of text into segments

By: Thionis

Thionis — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:37:44 +0000

Euri I think this guide is great however, it does not apply to 10 man only 25. What we do in 10 man, is relatively the same however. We have 2-3 people focus fire down the 2 adds and then dps Anub until the burrow. During the burrow you need frost on each end of the room preferably. Everyone focus fires the adds while the target runs like a bat out of hell and waits behind a frost patch. Anub switches target when he hits frost OR you aggro dump ie feign death, bubble, etc, etc. The problem with the aggro dump is that it does not reset his speed increase that he gets every second he is underground. Eventually he is like a lazer beam and will annihilate people that arent ready for it. He resurfaces you burn down another set of adds then dps Anub into p3. I lay down Aspect of the Nature Resistance whatever. (I use it so much, NOT) The scarabs and the leeching swarm are all nature damage and aspect is good for ~5-10% mitigation. With Vampiric Embrace, JoL, and Aspect you can really keep people at the bare minimum. The problem occurs when you start gettin Anub WAY down because adds keep spawning, our pally tank had 6 on him by the end, it was a very close call, we have been tuning our strat since then.
I think the only other thing I wanted to mention was that i would not suggest a frost trap ever on this fight, IMHO it would be like popping iron boot flask in the arena on Thorim. I would hate to see someone who is trying to kite anub run behind my frost only to find out it doesnt work, and die.
BUT like i said 25 man yes is an AoE-fest. Hopefully the explosive trap change will help hunters on that fight. Cheers

By: lemli

lemli — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:48:07 +0000

And about the 2 groups of adds, they can be tanked close enough for everyone’s aoe to hit all the adds + anub’arak, and so that they still only get 1 buff of spider frenzy from the other add that is being tanked by the same tank.

By: lemli

lemli — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:46:18 +0000

Well, we had quite a few glitches with the spikes just switching targets like crazy or just staying on the same target even after it hit the ice on the attempts where we used feign death / shadowmeld / fade and alike.

‘in 10 man you can force p3 in one submerge’
I don’t really understand what you mean with that, unless it’s just that you DPS him fast enough to get him to 30% before he submerges a second time, and that really doesn’t have anything to do with what you do in p2.

And if you can DPS him to 30% in 2 phase1′s there really is no need to ‘go fancy’ with the patches of frost with feigning and stuff. When we do 10man HC we just shoot all the ice down and run about breaking the patches for the one p2 we get, we just make sure we got one patch of frost left for the 2nd phase 1 and p3.

By: Dan

Dan — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:19:38 +0000

Thanks for answering the questions. Multishot on this fight is kind of annoying because of Anub’s giant hit box. =\

By: Kuhvacako

Kuhvacako — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:11:56 +0000

re: Avoid feign death when the spikes are following you, as sometimes this will cause them to glitch and target people randomly

What do you mean by Glitch? We Currently use the fact that Anub changes target when you cast things like Feign Death, Fade, Ice Block etc to our advantage in our 10hc kills you kite the spikes away from the rest of raid,FD and his new target is already behind an ice patch, as far away as possible, so as in 10 man you can force p3 in one submerge and we only break 1 bit of ice (sometimes 2).

I would also like to add the impale also kills the adds in p2

By: lemli

lemli — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:13:14 +0000

I don’t know the exact distance the adds need to be apart from each other, we had two groups of 2, one set for both add tanks. That way they only get 1 spider frenzy buff and they don’t hit too hard and it’s still possible to interrupt them.

We had a warrior tank interrupting his adds and a mage + enh shaman on the other side, also the paladin tank acted as backup for them.

All of our melee stayed on the boss, except rogues using Fan of Knives, and hitting the adds with all of their cleave-abilities.

In phase 3 hunters should use multi-shot when ever there’s adds up, MS debuff doesn’t seem to have any effect on anub’araks healing anyway.

By: lemli

lemli — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:08:26 +0000

You really can’t use volley or misdirect in phase 3. Atleast when a elemental shamans healing stream totem + JoL is healing you, you won’t get enough healing and will die.

About the healing questions, a restoration shamans healing stream totem is the only thing keeping our healer-group alive, so yes I think that’s enough. We got JoL working on the groups with ele/enh shamans.

The smart heals don’t really work since everyone is really low in health, and most of them heal too much.

If a priest gets the debuff, Binding Heal is awesome to heal yourself + extra penetrating cold victim, a tip I need to add later.

By: lemli

lemli — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:02:14 +0000

You don’t need a extra addon to show the penetrating colds in grid, you just have to add the debuff to the list of debuffs it shows.

By: Genjutsu

Genjutsu — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:29:16 +0000

My question iswhats the distance the adds need to be seperated from since they said AoE with volley. IF the adds get to close they get Spider Frenzy which increases cast time by a 100% and it stacks. And to interrupt Shadow Strike with all of them piled up is kinda insane.

What do you guys use to interrupt this? FoK? specific person doing it?

Also for the adds you said you guys use aoe. So most melees stay on the boss then and combine with cleave ability for splash damage?

Phase 3 I haven’t seen the vid but i’m sure hunters are using multi shot (hopefull theres a warrior or rogue that can put up hte MS debuff

By: Genjutsu

Genjutsu — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:25:11 +0000

hmm I was mostly asking about the addon that would show who has the penetrating cold in Grid. I dunno why but work blocks a lot of things lol.

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:04:55 +0000

Typos are my specialty. I mangled some of Lemli’s sentences trying to reorder stuff- my bad. I’ll go edit.

edit: fixed the typos and whatnot. The healing and AOE questions will be addressed when Lemli gets back. From what I can tell of his strat, though, basically the combination of a totem and jol is what they use to keep people ahead of the leech, while spot healing when needed, and blasting the debuffed players with instants.

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:04:02 +0000

You mean the image? We’ve hosted it on outdps.com, so if it’s blocked, they’re doing content inspection, not site lists.

By: Dan

Dan — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:42:20 +0000

Nice, clear guide for the encounter!

I have some questions:

-You say about penetrating cold ”The debuff can be removed by rogues’ cloak of shadow , mages’ ice block and frost ward [...]”. I’m guessing this is a typo and it can’t actually be *removed* by frost ward (it just helps absorb damage)?
-Another quote: ”Keep tranq shot on cooldown during the burrowing phase- no hunters can tranq an enraged scarab, focus fire it.” Typo? Should it be ”If no hunters…”?
-You advice against using volley in P3 because of JoL healing. So you’re saying hunters shouldn’t aoe at all in P3?
-Healing questions: Can a healing stream keep a group up by itself? (If so, haxx!) Do you use ‘smart’ heals like WG, CH and CoH or do they heal too much/too randomly? I know this is mainly a hunter guide but I’m looking for tips wherever I can :D

That’s all for now :)

By: Genjutsu

Genjutsu — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:09:01 +0000

My guild is working on this fight atm. Is there anyway you can post the Grid addon that shows penetrating cold. My work firewall is blocking it lol.

thx!

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:32:14 +0000

**eyes drafts folder greedily while rubbing hands together**

By: Kataron

Kataron — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:55:34 +0000

Interesting read.

My guild’s not up to hard mode 25, but we have just gotten up to hard mode ten. I doubt we’re going to do very well in the hard mode 25, as we’re skirting the edge of the enrage timer on normal, but when we do at least I’ll know what to do!

By: lemli

lemli — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:02:29 +0000

Since it takes a whole 2 hours to clear both versions of the toc raid instances, I’ll most likely have enough time to make all the guides quite soonish :)

By: Eidotrope

Eidotrope — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:36:28 +0000

Welcome and thank you for the careful guide!

My guild is still on the beginning of ToC’s heroic mode, and so I’d be interested to see your guides for the earlier encounters.