Comments on: Faction Champions Advanced Tips!

By: Bowya

Bowya — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:31:13 +0000

Use Viper sting if your mana is low. They have insanely huge mana pools so you can get all your mana back in no time. All you have to do is put it onto any on the FCs with mana, it doesnt need to be the 1 you are nuking and keep on dpsing without having to use a mana pot.

I know its a old post but still :P

By: morbidkill

morbidkill — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:47:36 +0000

yeah my bad… I just noticed this site is about hunters, hehehe, good vibrations to every hunter out there! =DDD

I got the link to this post right from twitter so I thought it was some kind of general tips for this encounter heheh

great post by the way, I just linked to all my guildies

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:43:07 +0000

Haha, it’s all good :) We like DKs here!

By: morbidkill

morbidkill — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:37:18 +0000

crap… sorry is this post only about hunters? as I was reading the other comments I didn’t see anyone talking about any other class except hunter… sorry if I posted in the wrong place =P

By: morbidkill

morbidkill — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:34:41 +0000

im not sure on 25 man, but at least on 10 man a frost dk with hungering cold helps a lot, I always cast mine in the beginning so the group have like 5s to burn down a single target, after that we just set a stun/silence rotation on it until one healer is down… at least for the group i’ve been the hardest part was to kill one of the healers in the beginning

as a DK myself I always try to keep chains of ice on every melee I can and deathgrip any warrior that’s running loose

I know it’s these tips r kinda noob and they are all for 10 man but I hope that helps someone….

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:10:55 +0000

Snake traps are supposed to only dot up whoever trips the trap. I like going to stand on top of a non-CCed caster and dropping one while DPSing. Of course, sometimes the snakes get loose and go after sheeped targets. Stupid reptilian brains the size of peanuts.

By: Lyraat

Lyraat — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:27:48 +0000

* Frost traps > Freezing Arrow/Trap. Frost traps rarely get resisted, but Freezing Arrow/Trap are routinely ignored.
* Drop Frost Traps whenever the cd is up. Make the floor look like Anub’s new digs :D
* Go all-out PvE gear and spec. We hunters have several ways of avoiding PvE damage and mobs. Other classes do not; healers, for example, get beat down in this fight. Because we don’t do much cc in this fight compared to other dps’ers–1 GCD for traps every 30 seconds v. spamming kicks/sheeps/fears/etc–the raid needs our dps.
* As others said, put Tranq Shot in your rotation. Removing druid HoTs is pure juicy, juicy win :D
* I would be wary of snake traps if only because you don’t want to dot a mob that just broke cc. Mages get upset when their sheep target has a dot; whiny glass cannons :D
* Don’t be afraid to use Wyvern as an interrupt.

By: Khatian

Khatian — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:41:09 +0000

Not that it means anything, but for the only attempt I tried my gorilla we finally killed it on H10. Maybe he’s just good luck.

By: ximera

ximera — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:44:36 +0000

i’ve personally tried wolf/spider/gorilla on just the 10 man regular mode. we were having the hardest time in this fight until it was nerfed, then downed it pretty easily. I found the spiders web spray, while working pretty well, does anger the mobs a bit so they did tend to kill my spider. the gorilla i would just sick on a healer and when i looked on recount it did still get a couple interrupts off during the fight which was nice. it isnt ideal though since the gorilla obviously shouldnt be thunderstomping around in this fight which will decrease dps of the pet if you care about that sort of thing. so far the dps increase from the wolf is probably the most helpful from what i’ve seen, but hard to quantify what those few interrupts are doing.

By: Pike

Pike — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:30:59 +0000

(and by Mortal Shot I mean Mortal Strike)

By: Pike

Pike — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:30:28 +0000

Intimidation does work, if you are a Beast Master– it’s fun to use it right when your target is trying to cast something.

Every time we do this fight I volunteer to spec to Marks for Aimed and Silencing, and every time, my guild wants me to stay BM. Presumably because they already have people doing Silencing and Mortal Shot stuff, and they like my Big Red Raptor ^_^

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:10:32 +0000

According to Jurgwena (in a ~~yet unreleased~~ now released PvP interview) cunning pets are good for real arena because they withstand pressure better. The thing is that in faction champs, the AI tends to ignore pets. My strategy has been to stick with a wolf for the extra self DPS. Also, apparently the pummel ability of gorillas is on their global cooldown so it's almost impossible to time properly.

By: khatian

khatian — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:16:44 +0000

What is everyone’s thoughts on what pet to use for this? I was debating if it is worth having a pvp pet. We’ve had mixed results on the 10 man hard mode and wondering if the extra CC/defensive abilities would be > then the dps of a wolf. Thoughts?

By: Phyllixia

Phyllixia — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:07:40 +0000

I’m also a fan of Frost Trap over Freezing, unless you have a few hunters to spread it around. The slowing effect lasts longer than just the 10sec of CC you get from Freezing and there’s always the chance someone will break your Freezing early anyway.

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:33:29 +0000

I somehow missed that you were talking about heroic. I have not seen this first hand, but according to tankspot.com, they are immune to "fixate type abilities like taunt". Thanks :) /fails at reading

By: Khatian

Khatian — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:20:11 +0000

Hmmm some guildies told me taunts don’t work at all in the heroic version. I’ll need to try it tonight, thanks!

By: Eidotrope

Eidotrope — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:48:06 +0000

Kheldul has a good point below. Use viper sting if you need the mana, but don’t use it just to try and reduce a target’s pool.

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:35:17 +0000

~~It does, but all taunts share a diminishing return so if the mob has been taunted before, it might get resisted.~~ Your shaman question reminded me I forgot to write about my totemstomping macro! Thanks :)

By: Kheldul

Kheldul — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:31:26 +0000

Go ahead and viper sting for the free mana. Just don’t do it on your dps target. ;-)

By: Khatian

Khatian — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:31:17 +0000

We’ve had the most trouble on the 10 man heroic mode. Can someone please confirm, but I believe distracting shot will not work on the heroic modes.

We’ve often been putting down the shaman healer first. Thoughts on if that’s better or worse then a druid/holy pally? We’ve found the totems he provides give them a big advantage. I try to use a mouse over macro for my pet to take them out, but sometimes you can’t always see all of them. I might add that as a tip to use a mouseover macro for your pet to attack totems

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:06:00 +0000

Yeah, I forgot some of that stuff… /steals

By: Eidotrope

Eidotrope — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:51:48 +0000

As an alternative to freezing arrows, I’ve found that a well-placed frost trap can help clothies/healers get away from melee champions or help tanks stay on those melee champions.

Also, some ‘do nots’ should be included I think:
- don’t aoe: it breaks cc and is inefficient
- don’t stand in the middle of things: just like in normal pvp, staying at range helps you target, avoid, redirect, etc.
- don’t keep switching targets: stay on the burn target, and mouseover who you have to. Creating targeting macros can help if you have to switch.
- don’t viper sting: their mana pools are too huge for it to do any good

By: Kataron

Kataron — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:58:03 +0000

Also, make sure that at least one of your smallest raid members dies in this fight. A Gnomish sacrifice is the best way to guarantee your victory.

It’s okay, they’re not people. :)