Comments on: Epic Gem and Enchant List!

By: wayne adams

wayne adams — Sun, 16 May 2010 09:54:36 +0000

gdday there

is haste very important to any specced hunter as i have around (15%)and it seems to improve my dps but most people say not to worry about haste
and i have a few gems just for haste

By: John

John — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 23:43:13 +0000

I did what you told me to (with Zeherah’s Hunter DPS Analyzer) and got a nice result:
For me Pyro Rockets are about +20 dps more than +20 Agility. Then I just macroed these into all my shots I use like this:

#showtooltip Chimera Shot
/use 10
/cast Silencing Shot
/cast [target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command
/cast Chimera Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

In addition, what was surprising for me, is that according to Zeherah’s Analyzer, +24 Critical Strike rating on boots is also slightly better enchantment than +16 Agility or +32 AP. I’m 7/57/7 MM.

By: brandon

brandon — Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:52:43 +0000

I would definatly plug that into Shandara’s spreadsheet and write down the amount of dps you do with those 2 equipped. Then i would change those two to the other dmg enchants on the spreadsheet . You are correct about the boots it is more of a surviabilty wich can help increase your dps for a short peroid of time, while the 32 A/P can be helpful in general.

By: John

John — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:58:01 +0000

Does anyone know if the engineering Pyro Rockets (1654-2020 Fire damage, 45 sec CD) or the Hyperspeed Accelerator (340 haste for 12 sec, 1 minute CD) would actually be more damage than the usual Agility/Hit/Attack Power enchants?

I’m using parachute enchant on my cloak, which is obviously better (+23 agility instead of +22) and also the Nitro Boosts on my boots, although +16 agility would be better than +24 crit rating, but I’ve found 150% speed increase for 5 seconds to be very useful on many bosses. For example, in ToC 10/25 heroics you can move quicker to Dreadscale tank if you get Paralytic Toxin or you can move better out of the Icehowl’s charge even without the speed buff in normal modes.

By: Demona

Demona — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:19:27 +0000

Thanks for all the great info! New to raiding and was intimidated by all the things I ‘should’ be doing vs what I was doing as a mainly solo player. Now I can have fun and feel like I’m a contributor to the group instead of a tag-along. :)

By: Nelson

Nelson — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:06:34 +0000

thats wat i always wanna to know ….
thanks alot man ^^

By: Eidotrope

Eidotrope — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:09:13 +0000

I just bought the formula for Cat’s Swiftness and I think it’s better dps (especially if you’re MM) than Tuskarr’s Vitality if you want a run speed bonus on your boots:
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=34007

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:51:36 +0000

Thanks, always like to hear it helps :)

By: Rowenna

Rowenna — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:18:45 +0000

just wanted to post my thanks as well. i’m newer to the 80 hunter scene and have used a lot of the resources on this site to make sure that even with not so great gear, i’m maximizing myself as best i can.

By: Bobobdedi

Bobobdedi — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:18:58 +0000

Thank you both for your replies.

By: Zeherah

Zeherah — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:22:59 +0000

If you are missing mana regen buffs you will very likely end up with a viper penalty, which will cause int to be higher value. I still don’t recommend gemming/enchanting for int because mana situations will vary so widely based on fight, but if you’re in a situation where you regularly don’t get all the regen buffs, you want to value mail over leather for sure.

Hit cap situation is also extremely variable, generally hunter hit is concentrated into a few items and whether you end up high or low on it depends on which items you’re wearing. Check to see if you have an option to get an item with less hit that might be better dps, that’s all you can do really.

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:29:08 +0000

It’s your buffs and debuffs. Go in and take a look at whether you have replenishment and judgment of wisdom. If you don’t, that will make int look better than anything else.

By: Bobobdedi

Bobobdedi — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:42:34 +0000

For some reason, the DPS Spreadsheet and the online version both say that I get mor dps from +int (as in I’d get more dps from a +20 int gem than a +20 agi gem).

Is there a reason for this?
My thinking is that I lack sufficient mana for their calculations (factoring in a 6 minute fight and going OOM too often), but maybe there’s something else I’m missing (or I’m a freak).

Also, I currently am 24 over the hit cap with no gems and no enchants (i.e. all from items).
Is this standard for someone who rarely does anything 10/25-man?

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:33:48 +0000

Fair enough, and don’t apologize for pressing me into rethinking my logic :) If I’m wrong, I’d rather find out so I don’t perpetuate misinformation.

By: Eidotrope

Eidotrope — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:12:49 +0000

I apologize for pressing with this, but I still don’t think the guide has it quite right. If you’re at the hit cap a prismatic will always be better than a purple or green, everything else held equal. Socket bonuses are not relavent for the comparative merits of the gems in question because the prismatic will activate any socket bonus that the purple or green would. (Oranges are something else, and a Deadly Ametrine is perhaps preferable to a prismatic).

Socket bonuses factor in for prismatics at a differ point, though. If you have a blue socket and an attending socket bonus that merits not gemming straight agility (like on Belt of Dragons or Boots of Living Scale, for example), you should have a prismatic in that blue socket if you don’t have one somewhere else already. This is because primastic>purple, and for the socket bonus prismatic=anything.

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:05:41 +0000

It's linked in the post- I did a full PvE breakdown of all the professions here.

By: hunter22

hunter22 — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:34:04 +0000

Not sure why you mentioned the Inscription-specific enchant, but not the LW,ENG,etc ones.

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:47:35 +0000

You caught that, eh? :P

By: Kheldul

Kheldul — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:35:56 +0000

w00t! Allows you to walk on ice!! :-)

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:06:04 +0000

Thanks! I was a little worried about the BM part of things, actually, so I tried to keep the list general enough that I would be sure not to miss anything for them.

By: Pike

Pike — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:00:17 +0000

Awesome guide, I was thinking of writing it myself but I could never sit down and actually do it. Very well done ^_^

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:27:59 +0000

Woops, I took that out because I multiplied wrong, but meant to put it back in before publishing. Thanks!

By: Zeherah

Zeherah — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:14:57 +0000

You may want to include the 26 agil enchant under 1h enchants. If you don’t need the hit/crit and you’re using 1h weapons for survival, 26 agil is likely to be better than the 65 AP (although you should check with your gear to be sure).

By: Eidotrope

Eidotrope — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:13:17 +0000

Oh, okay, cool.

By: Eidotrope

Eidotrope — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:12:21 +0000

Right, sorry, I should have qualified “after the hit cap has been reached.” I guess I don’t understand why a Nightmare Tear would not be better dps than a Shifting Dreadstone in a blue socket, all else held constant and the hit cap achieved. Zeherah’s analyzer appears to agree with me on that point.

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:00:29 +0000

Functionally, the +10 to stats gives us 10 agility, 10 stam, and 10 int. Together, those are less than 10 hit/15 stam, and about equal to 10 crit/15stam. The thing is, you can't split the tear into two agility mixed gems like 10 agi/15 stam and 10 agi/10 hit to get a socket bonus with a yellow and blue. It's so rare that the nightmare tear is involved with the highest possible DPS gem setup that I elected to leave it out. Edit: upon reflection, you're right. I'll go and add it to the post.

By: Eidotrope

Eidotrope — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:56:01 +0000

Overall this looks really good. I see a lot of hunters blindly following the socket bonuses or going for attack power over agility (when they shouldn’t) and so maybe this guide will help with those things.

It could be that I missed it, but I think you left out prismatic gems (namely, Nightmare Tear, the +10 to all stats one).

I would recommend throwing a prismatic onto the piece of gear with a blue socket that you most want to get the socket bonus for (+12ap, +4 agi, or whatever). That way you (1) get better dps than a shifting dreadstone provides (2) get a good socket bonus and (3) make it a bit easier on yourself getting the meta gem requirement.