Comments on: Marksman Rotation!

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By: Paulina

Paulina — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 03:18:30 +0000

An intelligent point of view, well expreessd! Thanks!

By: cartier love

cartier love — Fri, 24 Dec 2010 08:39:21 +0000

The MM rotation, like all focus-based hunter rotations, is a priority-based rotation. This list of priority is as follows:

1) Put up Hunter’s Mark and Serpent Sting.

2) Fire Chimera Shot whenever available — you will need to make sure you always have enough focus to hit Chimera Shot 3) when it’s off cooldown. This will keep your Serpent Sting refreshed.

3)Fire Aimed Shot when the Master Marksman proc comes up.

4) Fire Arcane Shot as a focus dump.

5)Use Steady Shot to regen focus, and always try to fire your Steady Shots in pairs to maintain your Improved Steady Shot buff.

By: gralnak

gralnak — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:18:29 +0000

As for as i know MM is still the best spec! I ahve heard from a different couple hunters that BM is better for single target DPS. Yet they are still kicking it with 6.3k GS so that might me a good reason opposed to me with the 5.8K.

By: Oll

Oll — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 08:07:26 +0000

Or you could even use the better bullets? epic ones cause alot more dps and cost around 5-9g a stack on average

By: Frox

Frox — Fri, 26 Mar 2010 06:01:22 +0000

Ive tested Bm in ICC 10 today (read 25:th mars) And I lost from around 7k dps down to 6k dps and even lower on Saurfang. Thou my gear aint the optimal for BM. But still its not even close to MM or EVEN Surv.
I welcome you guys who are ready to spend 8 k gold on respeccing and checking gems/different specs but its seems like we are stuck with MM for atleast 1 more patch. :’( Miss my “Blutta”

By: Jazzism - Spirestone

Jazzism - Spirestone — Wed, 24 Mar 2010 04:51:16 +0000

Yeah no, not up to raiding at all. Instead if being top 5 in dps as MM, I’m 12-17th in dps barely topping the tanks as BM. The ‘Aura’ is glitchy meaning it comes and goes. Just a bad idea all around.

By: Olang

Olang — Wed, 24 Mar 2010 03:28:46 +0000

Would this apply to the T10, 2-Set Proc as well? If so, I’m thinking:
Rapid Fire-Serpent Sting-Chimera-Readiness-Serpent Sting-Chimera

Would that be the best rotation on the proc?

Thanks

By: Jazzism - Spirestone

Jazzism - Spirestone — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:28:59 +0000

I’d say bear to tank. I love it swipe that taps other mobs so it’s the best for aoe aggro. Not as good as a druud or pally tank but the best for hunter pets imho.

By: poisonmedic

poisonmedic — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:29:29 +0000

Lvl 38 MM hunter need to know what is the best pet to use to lvl with, have raptor right now.

By: Jazzism - Spirestone

Jazzism - Spirestone — Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:13:16 +0000

Upcoming patch 3.3.3 and the BM FI buff is making me plan to test out BM in raids again. I like to see if my dps will stay in the top third or not. I’m planning to do this so our raids will have Trushot and FI buffs. My question is since I haven’t rolled BM for PvE in a long time, does the pet benefit more from AP buffs or is Agil benefiting them just as much? I run PvE as MM, stacking Agil and just wonder if replace all the Agil buffs with AP. Thanks for any insight.

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:45:55 +0000

You can use “#showtooltip aimed shot” to display the aimed shot cooldown, no matter what order your macro is in. You no longer need that auto-shot in there, and Kill Command doesn’t have a target. Other than that, it’s a solid macro.

By: Feykaald

Feykaald — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:31:18 +0000

I would have done this too a few days ago but this would be better IMO

cast!auto shot
/cast aimed shot
/cast Silencing shot
/cast [target=pettarget,combat] Kill command
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear();

The aimed shot or what ever you wanna insert first so that is the cooldown it shows on your bar. Otherwise it will show whatever is first in your macro and it will look like it is on cooldown. The script is so you dont get the spell not ready when kill command or silencing shot are on cooldown. Credit goes to Frostheim over at scattered shots on wow.com

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:59:12 +0000

/cast kill command /cast silencing shot /cast (insert normal shot)

By: Val

Val — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:49:44 +0000

Can you macro Kill Command and Silencing Shot to all your shots?

If so, what macro would you use?

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:48:32 +0000

You should pre-mark the target if you can, and never fire a steady shot if aimed or chimera are on cooldown. If you are running with improved arcane shot, never fire a steady while that is off cooldown either.

Assuming you’ve geared, specced, and glyphed properly, the things that could cost you DPS are not firing enough cooldowns (moving too much or something), not stacking your cooldowns (either wasting them or not optimizing them to match your procs), and not picking your shots properly.

By: Devillok

Devillok — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:26:24 +0000

I was curious if you could tell me what I am doing wrong, on a boss fight my rotation goes as follows , hm, serpent sting, all my priority shots, rapid fire, steady shot until rapid fire is done, readiness, rinse repeat as shots come off of cooldown, I just can’t seem to reflect the numbers of equally geared hunters, any advice?

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:54:14 +0000

Readiness resets your shot cooldowns. As soon as you have a trinket proc, use rapid fire, and then as soon as you cast your next chimera shot normally, use readiness and fire a second chimera shot.

By: Devillok

Devillok — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:44:14 +0000

How does readiness affect your shot cooldowns? Or does it affect them @ all? I had another random hunter ask me how I use it, and to be honest I don’t, I open with serpent, blow all my priority shots, hit rapid fire, get 3 steady shots in and repeat, is this right?

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:28:50 +0000

They’re talking about priority- so when kill shot is available, depending on your gear, kill shot might take priority over chimera shot. Obviously it’s not going to take priority when it’s not available :)

By: Nelo

Nelo — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:43:51 +0000

How can you use kill shot first? I see a lot of post saying use kill shot first or second how ist that possible?

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:30:38 +0000

To be honest, this article is due for a 3.3 update. I’ll be sure to address this when I rewrite it.

By: John

John — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:40:27 +0000

You wrote: “Kill Shot: all other rotations (SV, and BM) should use this first if it’s available, but for Marks hunters (unless you’re in top end ArP gear), this actually does less damage than chimera shot.”

How much armor penetration is required to make Kill Shot number 1 in priority? I have at the moment 553 armor penetration, and it seems to me that Kill Shot would do more damage than Chimera Shot. However, I haven’t done any exact calculations, so I’d like to hear some opinions from fellow hunters.

I’m also using the Kill Shot glyph.

By: brandon

brandon — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 04:19:48 +0000

Or just use a spreadsheet wich will help you undertsand what to do as a Hunter (gemming, talent tree and rotation).

By: Lol

Lol — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:07:41 +0000

Well, regem.

Fix’d

By: Feykaald

Feykaald — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:36:08 +0000

Hey bud rotation may not be your problem. My want to adjust your spec. 7/56/7 is kinda the cookie cutter marksman build. Don’t know your reasoning behind taking hawk eye over improved tracking but I think it is a mistake. And a point in go for the throat is pretty much a must to get max dps out of your pet. Efficiency I think is a wasted talent. And currently I believe wolfs are the best dps pets out there because of the buff they give. Oh and this may sound stupid but make sure you are using the right ammo. One of my guildies didn’t know about mammoth cutters and after I made some for him his dps jumped quite a bit. May want to alter your glyphs too. Other words you have alot of work to do. My sugestion is to go to wow heroes and look at the top hunters and experiment with their specs. here is mine as a jumping off point. http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Staghelm&cn=Feykaald&gn=Illusion

By: chedzar

chedzar — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:04:05 +0000

hey guys,this aint really about this subject tbh,im just looking 4 a dig out here,i m a complete airhead wen it comes 2 stats and working that sort of thing ot,i do know my shot rotation has been good tho without being told and dont really get critisized in general in groups lol,but my dps seems failry low considering my gear,or so ive been tols,if u wanna have a look and let me know what ye think?http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Terokkar&cn=Chedzar

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:48:20 +0000

There’s nothing wrong with macroing instant abilities to your normal shots. I macro kill command and silencing shot to every shot in my rotation, however castsequence macros will always cost you DPS.

By: Garpep

Garpep — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:29:27 +0000

another caution, if you have to use a macro to dish out top dps you fail.

By: hunter

hunter — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:54:58 +0000

I have some logs on WWS, I will post when I get home from work. I will note that it depends slightly on gear. If you go for the Ar Pen maximizing build, kill shot benefits greatly from the 100% penetration, boosting it higher than Chimera. However, in my gear, which is Ulduar hard-mode/25 toc mix, Shandara’s spreadsheet puts my Chimera at about 1000 higher dmg than kill shot (I have about 35% ar pen, I gem for agility).

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:47:28 +0000

That’s contrary to my experience, the advice on elitist jerks, and several DPS calculators. I’d like to see a little evidence before I edit the post. Do you have logs?

By: hunter

hunter — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:46:38 +0000

I should also note that Kill shot is not affected by piercing shots, while Chimera shot is, so that needs to be accounted for as well.

By: hunter

hunter — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:43:45 +0000

Chimera shot should be above kill shot in priority for Marksman hunters, since you the damage from chimera and chimera-serpent is higher than kill shot on average. Also, Marksmans don’t have the extra 15% crit that Survival does

By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:36:16 +0000

Every chimera shot sting refresh resets the ticks to your AP at the time of refresh. The only exception to this is the +%damage from certain buffs like tricks of the trade, blue circles on the iron council encounter, and shadow crashed on vezax.

By: Thundar

Thundar — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:15:24 +0000

Serpent sting: you always want to open with this, and never fire it again unless you’ve let the damage over time expire. If the sting is expired, this has priority over everything but kill shot. Without it, your largest shot is half useless.

This is so not true.

You should start off with a serpent sting for sure, BUT it scales with your AP, so iff you get some nice tricket procs, some temp buffs, etc that will increase your RAP itt is good to get in a new one, the damage it does is going to be higher butt also the damage your Chimera Shot does is going to be higher.
Key is to watch your Rap and refresh a sting when it increases a lot.
Important is to do it right after a Chimera shot to minumise the los there.

By: ..

.. — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 04:17:46 +0000

to be honest with the cost to benifit ratio of mana and the 3 talent points with arcane shot I completly removed it from my rotation for moving fights a jump over to sv my mm spec is based on AmP so arcane just sucks up mana that could be used in better ratio shots. I don’t usualy have to go into viper and I don’t loose dps because of that I would look into a 5 to 10 min pew pew and see what gets u the best overall dps

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By: euripidesoutdps

euripidesoutdps — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:27:05 +0000

Right- I’ll clarify that on the post. Thanks.

By: Dhorvin

Dhorvin — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:06:36 +0000

One caution– if you hit Readiness immediately after triggering Rapid Fire (to get it on CD ASAP), and Kill Command is macroed in to all of your shots, you’ll likely overwrite the first Kill Command with a second before some/all of the charges from the first one are consumed. Just something to keep in mind.