Comments on: Survival Rotation! http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/ Standing in void zones since 2008 Fri, 17 May 2013 11:01:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Euripides http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-4936 Mon, 03 May 2010 18:53:33 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-4936 managing hit is hard. The best thing to do is not go over it much in the first place, but that means being selective with the gear you roll on.

]]> By: rokara http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-4935 Mon, 03 May 2010 18:49:58 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-4935 Been reading through this blog, a lot of good tips, was wondering how you suggest getting rid of some hit on this toon? Im way over and it sure seems a waste. Any toher suggestions on glyphs or spec would be appreciated.

]]> By: euripidesoutdps http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-4564 Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:31:47 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-4564 Yes, and in addition to rotation, overall cooldown usage plays a part. Make sure that your use something every single global cooldown.

]]> By: Floyd http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-4559 Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:40:40 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-4559 Hey, thanks for the tips but i have a problem, in ICC 25 I pull around 6k dps but I have noticed that there are other hunters that have almost the same gear as me but pull over 10k dps, does rotation really make that much difference in raids and/or PvP???

]]> By: Martbenzak http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-3898 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:21:28 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-3898 A couple more notes as I dig deeper. I would swap the Hawk glyph for Kill Shot. I find that I get a few more kill shots per fight with that glyph which usually nets me more dps than the little extra haste from Hawk. I would also strongly urge you to get the feign death minor glyph. Feign death gets resisted occasionally and reducing the CD by 5 seconds can be a massive help in those situations.

]]> By: Martbenzak http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-3897 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:01:34 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-3897 My comments above were actually for you Shecc.

]]> By: Martbenzak http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-3896 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:58:22 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-3896 I should have said swap your helmet for the T9 piece. It’s stats are itemized better for MM, which is your current spec. You also have the wrong meta gem. You should be using the 21agi/3%crit gem along with a Nightmare Tear somewhere in your gear to activate it. On a side note your current meta isn’t active. You don’t have 2 blues so it’s not doing anything for you.

]]> By: Martbenzak http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-3895 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:40:04 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-3895 It looks to me like you’re stuck in the gear score mind set. Mark of Supremacy is an awful trinket for someone as far over the hit cap as you. Swap it for a Mirror of Truth which provides crit instead of hit. The Mirror will proc about once per minute which nets you the same overall AP bonus as the Mark. It may be an ilevel 200 item, but it’s worth more dps than that 245 trinket you’re using. Also, I would trade your chest for the T9 chest. You’re losing a lot of dps without the T9 2 piece bonus. Even the 232 T9 chest will net you more dps than the 245 chest you’re wearing. As a final note I would change the enchant on your boots to +16 agi. 16 agi is worth more than 12 crit and you certainly don’t need the hit.

]]> By: Shecc http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-3749 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:24:13 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-3749 Hi again! about hit.. all i can think of is replacing boots enchant from icewalker to agility, thats the only enchant i got with soem hit, other than that cant change head or shoulders.. im hoping to get the Arp trinket and give it a try on MM ive used MM once in first boss ICC 10 and saw a decrease on my dps , minor.. and well still gem agility wondering if i should gem Arp :/ although i only have 387 Arp atm. im getting more upgrades but not top dps or damage yet >.> second or third in 10s and 25s by rogue and warlock >;( http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Velen&n=Sheccid more comments, advice anything to help a fellow hunter here XD will be appreciate it thanks!

]]> By: euripidesoutdps http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-3538 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 02:44:42 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-3538 You caught me when I logged out without some gems and enchants too- I just got some upgrades and haven’t been able to finish getting my setup done. As for the hit, it’s 230 for a Draenei, however I’m caught in a weird position where there is now way I can get under hit cap without trading more DPS than I am wasting on hit :\

]]> By: Hoph http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-3530 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:55:33 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-3530 I’ve just had a quick 5s look at your armory, 1st thing i noticed, you have far too much +hit. Raid hit cap you only need 242 from memory.
Any thing above 8% is a waste, you do want to stay at 8% tho as pets inherit the hit and expertise only in round numbers (ie just below 8% they’ll round down to 7%)
Maybe swap some hit for something with more haste? Will depend on what other items you have to swap around. I guess the trinket could be something you could look for an alternative: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50198 or maybe the old mirror of truth. I’m sure someone can recommend a better item.

]]> By: Ysona Greenleaf http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-3499 Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:59:03 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-3499 True, its not optimal dps, but better than being to early:P.

]]> By: euripidesoutdps http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-3493 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:37:29 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-3493 The only problem with this method is that it starts ticking when the debuff gets applied, while you would ideally fire the next one two seconds after the shot is fired, regardless of the flight time.

]]> By: Ysona Greenleaf http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-3492 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:56:11 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-3492 you can also get the addon “needtoknow” and set one bar to “Explosive shot” so you see the 2sec duration .

Cheers guys!

]]> By: Shecc http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-3119 Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:02:02 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-3119 Hi everyone! I saw this website long time ago and forgot to save it. So glad i found it again. I’ve played a hunter for 3 years now, but didnt get a chance to raid until a few months ago. I’ve learned from mistakes, from pulling 600dps in H UK when i first hit 80 before ulduar, to being one of the tops dps in my guild (not top), Ive been gemming agility, enchanting agility, eating agility and i cannot do more than 6k dps on 10man ICC its always between 4-5.5kdps, I am survival Spec and I can pull most of the time 4k in heroics,but i care about raiding, not so much heroics. I’ve played with other hunters that pull 7-8 in 25s and 6-7k in 10man.. they are MM and gem Arp, but I dont have enough Arp to do that yet. Ive ask around and other hunters just tell me “Send pet, autoshot and AFK” that doesnt help me at all. Also asked around in other websites and noone ever replied. Id love some advice. Maybe is something small im ignoring.. maybe something bigger, I dont think is the gear, ive had hunters with tier8 outdps before. Here is the link to my character http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Velen&n=Sheccid My husband plays a rogue and he can pull 1k more dps, our gear is about the same..I dont wanna be third or forth in dps. Any comments or advice will be more than welcome.

]]> By: euripidesoutdps http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-3055 Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:16:34 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-3055 @Randy: People are here to learn how to play. Nobody starts out with complete knowledge of everything they need. For example: you, apparently, never learned how to write. While this won’t stop you from beating a newbie hunter on patchwerk, it will stop you from being able to post here again if you don’t change your tone when commenting on my blog.

]]> By: jaf541 http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-3053 Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:48:48 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-3053 Gear Score doesnt mean you are good, I agree.
The point I was making is that I greatly improved my dps by re organising my shot rotation and slowing it down properly to let each of the shots take its proper effect.
Again, when it comes to good players, High dps does not need to mean a good player. There are those who rely on being carried by raiding guilds to get into the high dps brackets.
I have only played in WoW for just over a year withut a guild to speak of and have learned through my mistakes and knowing when and when not to take advice.
I now regularly hit 5k dps and all through proper shot rotation timing .

]]> By: Randy Savage http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-3052 Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:29:14 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-3052 perfect examples of why gear score means absolutely jack shit. Its what ppl doing 3k and below hide behind,
‘but i got 5k gs and im still shit’. i cud hit all the buttons randomly and still outdps you, jesus u guys are [cendored] bad:<

For (hopefully but probably not) the last time, Gear Score doesnt make u good, from the sounds of it a skilled player wud rape half of you in quest blues. Learn to play your class properly and stop expecting handouts in what is an already parody of it former self/washed out/dumbed down easy game.

]]> By: same here i got 5.1k gs and i only do 3k dps on hc's http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-3050 Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:55:29 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-3050 same here got 5.1k gs and only do 3k dps in hc’s

]]> By: jaf541 http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-2984 Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:14:15 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-2984 For me the problem is solved. It really is down to shot rotation. I now regularly hit 5k dps.

Let one shot play through its cooldown bwefore hitting the next.
Works for me

]]> By: hunter http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-2980 Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:31:52 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-2980 I’m having the same problem. My gear score is 4690, but my dps truly does stink. I’ve changed shot rotation’s several time’s and have looked at my talent tree along with other hunter’s that are putting out nearly 4k in dps. I don’t understand what I’m doing wrong and would love for any help.

]]> By: jaf541 http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-2561 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:13:53 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-2561 Link is posted to you, thanks for your help

]]> By: euripidesoutdps http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-2560 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:49:31 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-2560 If your rotation is done well, and you’ve specced right, then you shouldn’t be seeing that low a number. For starters, if you could email me your armory link: outdps at gmail dot com. After these, the next largest factor in your performance will be your knowledge of the fight.

]]> By: Jaf 541 http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-2559 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:56:57 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-2559 i find myself with DPS probs all the time.
I followed the Shot rotatio Strategies from here an a few other sites as well.
I have good gear, ( 4940 gear score), but my dps lets me down all the time. I get really annoyed at the number of times I have been group kicked because of this.
No one in my guild can help me as it has fallen apart,(not because of me)and people in PUGS are very intolerant and verbally abrasive too.
My last episode was pulling 1.9k dps in totc, so off to the Iroforge training dummies for some practice and could only manage 2.8k.
If anyone can suggest what exactly it is I am doing wrong then please do.

]]> By: billybee http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-2225 Wed, 21 Oct 2009 02:41:01 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-2225 Although aimed shot lowers your overall dps. In most raid situations and pvp situations aimed shot still has benefits that are more important that actual damage. It lowers the amount of healing the target receives by 50% for 10 seconds. Somethings still need to be more important than your own dps scores. Making sure bosses/trash/enemy players receive less healing makes them dies faster than a few extra damage points.

]]> By: euripidesoutdps http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-2070 Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:51:36 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-2070 Assuming the distance is the same for all three shots, it shouldn’t change anything. You fire the shots two seconds apart, and they’ll land two seconds apart.

]]> By: Titanias http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-2069 Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:39:15 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-2069 thanks for this, but doesnt it take around half a second for your shots to reach the target if your max distance? so does that matter in the DPS stuff with explosive shot?

]]> By: euripidesoutdps http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-2032 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:10:20 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-2032 Sorry, I don’t know if omnicc can do that. I do know that the /qt part of the macro is quartz specific, and if any other addon has a command for “show a 2 second cooldown” it probably won’t be with the quartz “/qt” command.

]]> By: nelson http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-2029 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 03:42:23 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-2029 U are really helpfull :)
i like learning things here ^^
thanks so much …

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Will OmniCC help in creating the same explosive shot macro ?
cos i’m using that add on ….

]]> By: euripidesoutdps http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-1742 Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:38:14 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-1742 Aimed shot does not lower your DPS, but it may not raise it as much as you think. It’s a little better than multi shot (with which it shares a cooldown) on single target.

Firing 3 explosive shots in a row is the goal, but you have to make sure not to overwrite the last tick of the DoT. You fire, wait 2 seconds (which is the GCD plus half a second), fire again, wait another 2 seconds, and fire again. To help with this, use quartz and add the following line to your explosive shot macro: “/qt esdot 2″

]]> By: Nelson http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-1740 Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:01:04 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-1740 i read about aim shot will lower down your dps …
izzit true ?

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ya and also …. some webside said that firing 3 ES in a row is not better …
bit confussing now

]]> By: euripidesoutdps http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-1582 Tue, 15 Sep 2009 03:28:16 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-1582 It’s been shown that you’ll actually get more DPS by firing 3 explosives in a row, waiting just long enough for them to finish ticking.

]]> By: mikothehuntard http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-1577 Tue, 15 Sep 2009 01:59:26 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-1577 I just want to say, when LnL procs, my rotation is ES,MS,ES,ST,ES and then back to my normal rotation. During that time period LnL+GCD give me enough time to use those skills in between my Explosive Shots, And therefore increasing my dps.

]]> By: euripidesoutdps http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-1545 Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:30:05 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-1545 Welcome!

]]> By: Aaroncarr123@gmail.com http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-1542 Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:55:09 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-1542 I thought this was great i went from not knowing what to do and oing 3k dps to 4.5k+ ty for the help :]

]]> By: Ezymode http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-1513 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:46:29 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-1513 Ahh legend, a cooldown bar not a counter on my spell.

Such a nub mistake. Thanks man.

]]> By: euripidesoutdps http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-1512 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:10:23 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-1512 Try typing “/qt esdot 2″ into chat and see (a) whether you get a cooldown bar, and (b) where it goes. If you dont get a bar, then reinstall or update quartz. My bar was on the top left, just beside the party frames.

]]> By: Ezymode http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-1510 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:00:16 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-1510 Mate – first off great blog. I have rerolled a hunter and this has been a god send for information and novel stories =)

Now I have an issue with my Explosive shots… I can’t get the following macro to work:

/qt ESDot 2
/cast Explosive Shot

I have bound it to my explosive shot button and my normal 6 second countdown appears but when I get LnL I don’t get a 2,1,0 countdown. Nothing shows. Any ideas? I am currently just trying to guess, time my shots.

]]> By: euripidesoutdps http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-262 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:06:02 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-262 that may be because he’s prioritizing stings before explosive shot or black arrow. Myself, I’ll fire those two before I refresh a sting, which means the only shots I’m pushing back are steady shots. I don’t think (and I will have to do some math later to make sure of this) that I lose as much damage by pushing a few steady shots off the table as I would by reducing their DPS by 10%.

]]> By: Intent http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-261 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:51:37 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-261 Could you give me your thoughts on this statement by an Ensidia hunter:

Serpent sting vs steady shot basically just boils down to that with serpent sting glyph you free up extra global cooldowns. Those can then be used for direct damage attacks that do more damage than the increase you would gain on steady shot. Regarding minor glyphs, there is just nothing else for pve.

]]> By: euripidesoutdps http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-260 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:01:43 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-260 Nope. I’ve never had the serpent sting one come first in the DPS spreadsheet, and even just reasoning it out, it’s clearly inferior. The serpent sting glyph allows you to spend less global cooldowns on refreshing the sting, however because we prioritize the sting before only aimed/multi and steady shot, those global cooldowns aren’t worth that much DPS. The glyph of steady shot, however, gives us a 10% boost to a third of our damage.

]]> By: Intent http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-258 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:54:14 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-258 Steady shot glyph or serpent sting glyph! Which one to pick? x_x I see top guilds like ensidia putting serpent sting glyph instead of steady shot…Any reasons why? thanks!

]]> By: euripidesoutdps http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-209 Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:20:20 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-209 Glad to hear that! No go find an arms warrior and tell him off.

]]> By: Sean http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-206 Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:32:32 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-206 I just wanted to say thank you.
My DPS has doubled thanks to your help.

BM was great for leveling, but I wasn’t pulling my weight when I grouped.

Now all I need is gear that gold can’t buy.

]]> By: euripidesoutdps http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-196 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:40:03 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-196 My glyphs are linked in the build- the new wowhead calculator has a spot for them. And indeed, I will be using explosive shot, steady shot, and serpent sting. For now. I might switch one out for kill shot to see how it changes my DPS though.

]]> By: euripidesoutdps http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-195 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:39:10 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-195 Absolute typo. Thanks :)

]]> By: Darkbrew http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-194 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:24:17 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-194 Nice write-up as always. This is pretty much the rotation I’m using, except that I’ve been choosing to refresh Black Arrow before firing Explosive Shot.

The hardest thing I find to do is weave in Steady Shots. I’m wondering if I should take a point out of Hunting party and put it in Hawk (I currently have a 0/15/56 build).

Also, what are you using for glyphs? I’m planning to go with Explosive Shot, Serpent Sting and Steady Shot. I’m giving some thought to dumping Steady Shot glyph for Kill Shot. The problem with Kill Shot is that it only seems worth having if it nets you an extra shot in a fight.

]]> By: Florimel http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-193 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:22:06 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-193 “Don’t fire them back to back though, or else you will be “clipping” the last tick of the damage over time and costing yourself a third of your damage. Fire them exactly 2 seconds apart. That’s 1.5 seconds after the global cooldown finishes.”

Possible typo — Isn’t that 0.5 seconds after the GCD?

Great explanation of the shot priority — makes more sense than anything I have seen on the topic.

]]> By: euripidesoutdps http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-192 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:10:23 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-192 Heh, I write about farming eternals when I can’t think of anything about PvE hunters to write. I have committed to one post a day, but I’ll tell you- the writer’s block will get you.

As for your questions: No matter whether you’re in combat or not, if you stand still for 6 seconds, you get the sniper training buff. You also keep it if you move. And some of the ulduar bosses are trackable, but not all of them.

]]> By: Marc http://outdps.com/2009/04/15/survival-rotation-for-patch-31/#comment-190 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:56:05 +0000 http://outdps.wordpress.com/?p=333#comment-190 i guess it’s okay to talk about farming eternals or selling stuff… but that’s the kind of information i am looking for in a hunter blog. great article- as always.
Two questions for you: how to use the new sniper training – wasn’t able to test it yet but is it possible to keep it up in a mobile encounter ?
Are Ulduar bosses trackable ?

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